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MagmaRed · Dec 27, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by aznkda

I think this would be the quick way to finish off your candy canes.

Go to the desolation area, give your hero rez skill (not UA) and healing boon (to make rez go faster) and flag them near where the sand that does instant death. You go on the sand (dont go too far) and you should be dead (you'll get dp). The hero will start rezzing you. When they rezzed you, you have second to use your CC before you die again and you shouldn't be moving at all.

Rinse and repeat. Now you should be getting sweet point quicker this way.

Forced deaths from snowballs in Eye of the North, crushers in Sorrow's Furnace, and the sulfur in the Desolation do not provide death penalty though. In fact, they don't even count as a death (for Survivor), as my Legendary Survivor was crushed in Sorrow's before maxing the title.

aznkda · Dec 27, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Forced deaths from snowballs in Eye of the North, crushers in Sorrow's Furnace, and the sulfur in the Desolation do not provide death penalty though. In fact, they don't even count as a death (for Survivor), as my Legendary Survivor was crushed in Sorrow's before maxing the title.

Just test this myself, you're right actually

I could've sworn they give DP last time. Ah well.. lol

Ok now I feel embarrassed.

BLOODGOAT · Dec 28, 2009, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Anduin

You offered absolutely no valid reason. Congragulations.

I don't see how my perfectly logical reason was invalid.

HellScreamS · Dec 30, 2009, 06:25 PM // 18:25

erm, yes, I agree it was one of the most invalid ones.

Del · Dec 31, 2009, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by drkn

it would be a waste in the terms of usefulness, but would be darn faster to title hunters.

while they're at it, how about they make skill hunter based on unlocked elites rather than actual caps? that would be pretty gosh darn convenient, eh?

HawkofStorms · Dec 31, 2009, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by Axeman002

/not signed...the game has enough grind titles as it is...at least witht these u can click as u play

So... the solution to get rid of grind titles is to make this title... more of a grind to get, by requiring people to kill themselves/res with heroes.

/fail logic forever

/signed
There is absolutely no negative to this. Sweettooth is already a pretty mindless title since all the other consumables to get this are already spammable. I mean, there really isn't a single logically reason to not allow this. I mean... maybe if you just want to make sure people don't accidentally use three of these when they meant to use only one. But, that is still a user error thing that can be avoided. That really is the only possible negative to this suggestion... and its not like consuming a 300g consumable by accident would be earthshattering.

The fact that there are ways to use these quickly via exploiting certain areas and heroes to kill yourself multiple times doesn't mean that isn't a pain and that it couldn't be simpler.

Shayne Hawke · Dec 31, 2009, 04:53 AM // 04:53

I don't really have any reason to go against an idea like this.

Martin Alvito · Dec 31, 2009, 06:53 AM // 06:53

I'll give you a good reason: this isn't worth wasting scarce coding time on. There are plenty of sweets that players can click spam for the title.

/not signed

drkn · Dec 31, 2009, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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cast zealot's fire. use 100 candy canes. pewpewdamage

candy canes give no enchantments, just morale boosts. they can't be seen as skills by the game.
/invalid.

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it's not hard, or can't you be bothered using Mes UA heroes and BiP to sweetspam?

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if using candy canes for sweet tooth title annoys you so much captain obvious answer here is DONT buy candy canes or moral boosting sweets please its incredibly fine the way it is as has been said before stop making +1 threads for people to post in and leave it be

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/not signed, go stand outside with a hero, bip yourself to death, and have your hero UA you up. Problem solved.

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Well those candies have an effect , if that effect cant be achieved , they cant be used. Plain simple and thats it. The rest give , for example 1200 sec of 33% speed boost , therefore they can be used at 1199 sec of the previous one because they GIVE something. Thats the reason i think it cant be done.

wrong assumptions.
i'm already done with my sweet tooth title, yet i still support the change like this. it's just illogical and serves no purpose, as the hard cap is already set at 10% morale - seen by killing a boss while at 10% already, you don't get +2% then. so it wouldn't require too much coding, it's not as difficult to fix as most other proclaimed ideas in sardelac.
it's as easy as changing the generic 'give 10% morale boost' to the coding used at the bosses and remove the restriction of not using them while at max morale.

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Why should it be made easier, it's already easier than drunkard.

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/not signed...the game has enough grind titles as it is...at least witht these u can click as u play

wrong assumption.
if you can eat, let's say, 6000 DP-removing sweets while playing, then i'm deeply worried about your pve abilities. even eating a stack of pumpkin cookies, the ones that don't require you to die before use, is a pain while playing. it means you need about 200 pve trips. maybe less if you suck and die a lot. even counting 150 pve activities per stack. it's more than pve areas to vanquish. and it's only one stack.
changing the DP sweets would actually mean less grind - less time wasted on dying repeatedly.

on the other hand, you can work on drunkard while playing, just drink up lvl 5 booze. it's very easy and convenient - it doesn't require you to die a lot or waste time for setting UA heroes just to get the title, you can drink and finish the dungeon at the same time.
/invalid.

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I have the same problem with using tonics for my party title, but you know what? Just deal with it, sweet tooth is amazingly easy to get, and yes it is your own fault for buying those DP removing sweets.

switching guild halls for tonic spam is much faster than consecutively dying to eat up the DP sweets. first and foremost, you can use two tonics at once, yielding in 4 party points per rezone. those two ways can somehow be compared, but using up tonics is much much faster and less annoying.
don't know if you've maxed both titles by doing that thing, but i have. tonics were enjoyable compared to eating up cookies and canes.

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Their inconvenience is 1 reason they are cheap.

not really. they're typically ~150g/point, it's other sweets that are more expensive as they give some bonuses useful while doing speedclears or running and they're more desired. especially by people who can afford to pay more than that.

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I don't see how my perfectly logical reason was invalid.

and maybe that's the point...

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while they're at it, how about they make skill hunter based on unlocked elites rather than actual caps? that would be pretty gosh darn convenient, eh?

now tell me, what has that to do with anything? you just wanted to try being smart and failed or there's a deep connection between capping elites on a character and eating up annoying DP sweets on a character?

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There are plenty of sweets that players can click spam for the title.

ever tried to buy 6k sweets?

Arduin · Dec 31, 2009, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by BLOODGOAT

I don't see how my perfectly logical reason was invalid.

Your logical reason is valid.

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Originally Posted by drkn

anyways, there's no logical reason why my toon can eat 500 fruitcakes at once without vomitting but refuses to eat pumpkin cookies or candy canes.

As BLOODGOAT said, when eating those sweets you are constantly renewing the Suger Rush enchantment. This is possible because the game engine allows us to reapply enchantments when it has expired for a bit.

On the other hand, the game engine does not allow us to rise the Moral Boost above 10%, and since the MB isn't decaying over time like the Suger Rush enchantment, you can't spam DP removing or Moral Boosting consumables.

So it's perfectly logical why you can't spam DP-based sweets, but can spam a Suger Rush sweet, game engine wise.

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Okay, now we have got that out of the way, let's get back to the suggestion. I'm perfectly fine with the ability to use DP-based sweets, even when no DP can be removed. Just make the Sweet Tooth counter go up without adding Morale. Screw the game engine.

Even better. When you have a stack of any consumable, press ctrl+shift and click on the stack to instantly consume the entire stack. Enable a pop-up message asking if you want to indeed consume the entire stack, so people won't accidentally eat a stack while trying to move stacks.

drkn · Dec 31, 2009, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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On the other hand, the game engine does not allow us to rise the Moral Boost above 10%, and since the MB isn't decaying over time like the Suger Rush enchantment, you can't spam DP removing or Moral Boosting consumables.

so it shouldn't be possible to kill a boss while having 10% morale boost.

Arduin · Dec 31, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by drkn

so it shouldn't be possible to kill a boss while having 10% morale boost.

Last time I've played Guild Wars, bosses aren't a type of consumable.

furpigs · Dec 31, 2009, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Let's go one step further for all consumables.

Add a "mouth" similar to the "dumpster" in the inventory panel that you can drag a stack of consumables at a time in to.

People who care only for the title and who could care less about the sweet, alcohol, or party effects would love this. It's would make no difference to anyone else. It would end this discussion and would make the acohol title more desirable.

HawkofStorms · Dec 31, 2009, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Arduin

Last time I've played Guild Wars, bosses aren't a type of consumable.

The point is... if getting "12 percent morale" would somehow crash the game, but it clearly doesn't since you can get morale boosts via killing bosses even when you have max morale, then there is no reason to prevent consumables from being used since they do the same thing. Therefore, this wouldn't be hard to change via coding.

drkn · Dec 31, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Add a "mouth" similar to the "dumpster" in the inventory panel that you can drag a stack of consumables at a time in to.

sounds fun, but would generate a lot more QQ topics and would need a lot of coding. my proposal requires nearly none coding, as the code is already there, just make the bosses' morale boost working also for DP sweets.

Dratyan · Dec 31, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

/signed

I used a few stacks of Honeycombs to achieve the title and it was terrible.

Puddin Cheeks · Dec 31, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

okay, i found a faster way than the UA heroes.

The problem is that you come back at full health and have to 3 spam bip with vampiric.

I made a hero mes, with 16 fast casting, and a 40/40 resto set and only put flesh of my flesh on it.

You come back with barely enough health to live after a few casts by mesmer(they get down to 1 health). Hit bip one time and it is much faster than UA. Give it a try and let me know what you think. I just went inside Isle of the nameless and ate a stack of green candy canes in no time at all. I just bip 4 times then eat 4 canes.

EDIT: A discovery i made. Every once in a while if the mes gets exactly 1 health of less it wont res you. To combat that i brought my obscure r/mo hero and put mending on it. It keeps the mes from going to low but never going very high and one Bip kills me everytime. Works like a charm, i ate 50 greens in 3 minutes. Peppermints and rainbows will be faster since for peppermint you only need 15dp and you get to eat triple rainbows. Now i ate 200 in less than 10 minutes. Not too bad.

Del · Dec 31, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by drkn

now tell me, what has that to do with anything? you just wanted to try being smart and failed or there's a deep connection between capping elites on a character and eating up annoying DP sweets on a character?

my point was, as it is, sweet tooth is easy, trying to make it easier is just dumb, if you don't want to get dp to use the dp removal sweets you were dumb enough to buy, then buy fruitcakes instead of cookies instead of trying to make anet waste time just to cater to people that are too cheap to buy spammable sweets, and too lazy to run into a mob, rez/rinse repeat. ofc i got my point across wrong, but even a child with down's syndrome can get the general point i was trying to get across.

drkn · Jan 01, 2010, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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ofc i got my point across wrong, but even a child with down's syndrome can get the general point i was trying to get across.

yeah, it takes one to know one

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if you don't want to get dp to use the dp removal sweets you were dumb enough to buy, then buy fruitcakes instead of cookies

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ever tried to buy 6k sweets?

@Puddin - nice found, though the wrist still aches ;p

HawkofStorms · Jan 01, 2010, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Of course.... not everybody "buys" DP sweets in bulk. People also get them via drops. I for example, through farming like crazy, have over 450 pumpkin cookies and about 60 honeycombs from the traveler.